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I'm not going to ask you any direct questions because I don't know what questions you can

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or cannot answer. You just give us an opinion and a comment or two. We'd appreciate it very

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much. Well, yes, first off, I should say there's no question of not being able to answer anything

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because I'm acting as an independent investigator, I would say. But the fact is I don't have anything

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to say. The thing that's puzzling to me is I'm sure it must be to the folks around here.

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I certainly believe that Juan and Zemara had a most interesting and significant experience

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and I'm particularly interested in the tracks that were left and the analysis of the samples

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of material from those tracks. Until you know more about it, all I can say about it,

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disappointingly to you perhaps, is simply that I'm as puzzled as you are. If your findings

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are on this, I hope you would run the analysis on the specimens that you've taken. Would

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you be at liberty to advise the public to just what they were? Yes, absolutely. There's

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no reason why not. I think in general there's been a feeling that the Air Force wants to

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hide things. This is, at least in my experience, as a consultant for them. I have not come across

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that for instance. Here's one example. I was called by the Pentagon this morning and there's

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an Associated Press report out to the effect that some Air Force person had told Mr. Zemara

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not to say anything about the lettering. I was asked specifically to find out whether

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this statement had been made, who made it, and all that sort of thing. Zemara tells me

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that no one, Air Force or no one else, told him not to say anything about it. But this

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is how these rumors get started. Someone says the Air Force says, clam up. This was simply

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apparently not the case, according to Mr. Zemara. So I was very happy to find that out.

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Well, now about this marking. Could you tell us how he described the marking and what the

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marking was? Yes, I see no reason why not. He described it to me as an inverted V, with

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a sort of a bar across it. As he described it and drew it, the thing I was reminded of

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is a typical brand, a cattle brand, as though wherever the device was, as though somebody

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had branded a cattle. And about the color of this object, how did he describe the color?

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Not in any great detail. The color was indicated as primarily whiteish, and no specific markings

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other than the inverted V. And the objects or the people that he cited and their size?

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He told me nothing about having seen any people. And this I read in the newspapers that he was

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apparently not, well, as far as I know, he did not say anything specifically about having seen

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people, not to meet any race. And I did ask him about it. I know that there were earlier

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reports that he had seen people, but to me he said nothing specific about people.

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Did he describe seeing objects that appeared to be in white coveralls?

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He indicated that he saw something along the side, or on the side of the instrument of the device

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that resembled white coveralls, yes.

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Well, thank you, Dr. Heineck.